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Benjamin Schley-May  



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:29 pm    Post subject: investment:is the 924 worth it? Reply with quote

So heres my little dillema: i have a '78 924 that i bought last summer on a bit of a whim. It runs well, has no MAJOR Mechanical issues but is stock, un-restored and showing its age. im 18 years old and want a project to work on that i can at least come somewhat close to breaking even on. so im wondering is there any kind of a market for these cars once they are repaired/restored & customized(talking about reasonable performance upgrades like 4 wheel disc brakes,suspension,doing something about that dog of an engine ect...). what does a nice one like that go for?
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ideola  



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is unlikely you will break even on it if you're only looking at it from a purely dollars and cents perspective.

The intangible return of driving a real Porsche on a non-Porsche budget, however, is immeasurable The 924 is the biggest bang for buck (IMO) second hand sports car you can find.

Maintain your car for investment.
Restore it for personal gratification of driving a sweet car.
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Lizard  



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

easy answer no, you will never get what you put into the car, not in any car I have seen will you, unless you go completely custom, like a street legal formula 4 style lol
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope
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924guy  



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you break even on a "924 investment" consider yourself lucky. anyone who plans to make money off a 924 usually ends up dissapointed. you can easily spend 8-10 grand on a properly restored 924, and many of us here have, and then some..this on a car wed be lucky to get $2500 for..
the investment here is in the driving experience and fun....in that, the 924 is priceless.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola and 924guy have it right on!
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Benjamin Schley-May  



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the input guys.
the reason i asked is because i wont actually get to enjoy the car that much seeing as my parents dont want me driving a car without airbags and modern safety features. I guess if i want to get paid for repairing cars i should become a mechanic.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:44 am    Post subject: Answer! Reply with quote

Hey!
I have the answer!
You design an airbag that fits to you and not the car and you can drive any car you want.

Any other advanced engineering advice by fee only.....

Simon
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say no. I bought a 78 924 when I was in my last year of highschool. I have fixed it up to the point I am satisfied how it runs and looks. I payed 2500CDN for the car and have reciepts for around 4000CDN in work and parts. I will need to sell the car before fall as I will be returning to college and need tution money. I had listed it last summer for 5600CDN but will be asking around 4800CDN when I attempt to sell it agian. I realy enjoy the 924 and would recomend it, I am glad I had the experience of owning and restoring this car despite the fact I will be loosing money, I have gained much more.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disobey your parents and get it to pick up chicks. A leather jacket and tattoos could be a good idea too.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just an fyi, but the 924 is one of the safest cars out there, and far safer than most new cars imho. there is a long thread on safety , and the strong structure of the 924 here someplace, do a search and itll pop up..

id much rather be in an old non airbag 924 , than a brand new kia or some other such pos during an accident, thats for sure..and dont even get me started on airbags.. ...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doing something about that dog of an engine

Oh..?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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id much rather be in an old non airbag 924 , than a brand new kia or some other such pos during an accident, thats for sure..and dont even get me started on airbags


Quote:
my parents dont want me driving a car without airbags and modern safety features


I'm a parent of three, two of them boys, 17 and 15 respectively. They now each have a 924 variant. Here's my thoughts on why I bought them this car instead of a newer vehicle with "safety" features.

1. They can't put more than one other person in the car (at least not at the sizes they're growin' kids in these parts) ... there are loads of statistics about how multiple under-21 kids in the same car dramatically increases the likelihood of accidents
2. The 924 is relatively modest in terms of power, especially in comparison to some the scary-fast newer cars coming out. Since they simply can't go as fast as quickly, they are less likely to get into speed-caused trouble for typical around-town driving
3. They need to learn how to drive a stick AND how to drive a rear wheel drive vehicle. Nothing safety related there, but every man needs to know how to drive a manual transmission.
4. They need to learn how to stop a vehicle that doesn't have anti-lock brakes, and how to control a car that doesn't have traction control. Chances are, they'll end up having a job somewhere driving a truck or hi-lo or some other vehicle that is not "safety" equipped, and they need to know how to control such a vehicle.
4. Airbags give people a feeling of invincibility, and a false one at that, causing them to drive more recklessly than they otherwise might. There's a bigger rant here, but I'll leave it at that.
5. The most important safety feature in any vehicle is the driver. Tell your folks to invest in a driver's education class where you'll learn *accident avoidance* rather than relying on *accident survival*. It will be an investment that will last you for the rest of your life and protect you no matter what vehicle you're in. Not quite the same as Simsport's personal airbag idea, but probably the closest you can come.

I worked at UPS for 10 years. Their drivers are put thru an intense defensive driving training program which they are required to update periodically. The philosophy at UPS is that there is no such thing as an unavoidable accident. Every accident is avoidable. It's no coincidence that UPS has such an incredible, amazing safety record when you consider how many hours their drivers spend on the road. All accidents are avoidable. You just need to learn how. If you learn that skill, you'll never need a car with "safety" equipment beyond a seatbelt. Go take a DE accident avoidance course.
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Roger  



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not familiar with the economics of other Porsches, but there are very few cars of any make that are an investment in the short term. Let alone profitable to restore. Most people restore cars for other reasons than profit.

Or to put is simply NO!.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow - I love ideola's response and couldnt agree more. Everything he said there is worth reiterating - mainly that the driver is the best safety feature. I cant stand how "spoiled" americans have become (yes I am american) and the luxury's and expectations of the automobile have been the catalyst. I remember just back in 1980 when the Honda Accord came with something like 20 options when the Ford Thunderbird came with 200+ . . .

Anyway - ask your parents if they know what IPDE is. If they say WHAT?, then take ideola's advice and have then enroll in driver safety course with you.

FYI, incase anyone doesn't know . . .

Identify = This is when you look for: specific clues, other roadway users, roadway features and conditions, Traffic Controls, Condition of your vehicle
Predict = This is when predict: actions of others, control of your vehicle, consequences of your actions
Decide = This is when you decide to: change speed, change drection, communicate
Execute = This is when you: accelerate, brake, steer, communicate, combind actions

Good Luck!!
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